The USA didnt pick UkraineRead more . A pair of those would make a proper mess of todays warships. This idiot wants Biden to start the war. It would be a signal of intent to the Russians. I think ill have a drink now. He may lose power after a disastrous foreign adventure. Russia summoned the British ambassador in Moscow for a formal diplomatic scolding after the warship breached what the Kremlin says are its territorial waters but which Britain and most of the world say belong to Ukraine. You are just gaslighting everyone Douglas and sowing division because you cant admit you are wrong: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/01/19/statement-from-press-secretary-jen-psaki-on-russian-aggression-towards-ukraine/, Thanks Douglas. That was 4 years ago after the initial push against ISIS was over. Just do what I do and refer to wikipedia according to which the class was commissioned between 1975 and 1991. We do need more ships and we will increase the number of frigates in the years to come. Ukraine didnt invent the weapons so im curious how much of them they could have used and ultimately maintained over time. Much as he did in Syria . They believe Mr Putin's troops are being positioned in line with his new objective, with armoured divisions set to head into neighbouring Belarus on exercise but now stationed within striking distance of Kiev. The talks between the two diplomats came just a day after Russia unveiled plans for naval drills involving more than 140 warships and more than 60 aircraft, seen as a show of strength. , updated The receiver is a version of the one fitted to the LRASM. 'Should Russia invade, we will provide additional defensive equipment to Ukrainians.'. One can hope that cooler heads will prevail, and we start sorting ourselves out! The task group were joined by RAF Typhoon and F-35s jets, plus tankers RFA Tideforce and RFA Tiderace. 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Certainly Ivan is getting very desperate now with the prop.! The US Debt and How It Got So Big Updated December 30, 2021, https://www.thebalance.com/the-u-s-debt-and-how-it-got-so-big-3305778, i bet tyne sent shivers through the russian group. Could be a rerun of the 1904 Russian fleet of to the far East didnt go too well for them then but they did attack Traelers of dogger bank. Surely he loses more than he gains. He also works for the NHS. As the region is already occupied by pro-Russian separatists, and has been in a state of war since 2014, it was believed it would offer little resistance. Whereas I have friends and colleagues dotted along the West Coast which is how I can call out your nonsense on that one. Russia is flexing its muscles in Britains back yard after ten warships arrived off the UK coast, the Chief of the Defence Staff has warned. True , I seem to remember one the OSINT Bunker pod cast guys saying if they start to move Air assets near the Ukraine border than probably the war is on , they have just done that. An interesting question is how much does Kremlin insider Klyushin being in US custody have to do with the escalation? There was the Orange revolution in Ukraine in 2004/5 that was the point that they started to orient themselves more with the West. By The only time there is a difference, is when a SM is deep, sprinting to a new position. Asking whether Australia will sell us a handful of their Block II Harpoons; the practical solution to the (cancelled) interim AShM requirement? How would you like me to paint Corbin and Johnson with the same brush? REUTERS/Sergey Smolentsev. "As I said, it has no equivalent in any country in the world. Certainly surprised Germany seems so acquiescent about potentially putting itself back on the front line with only Poland as that buffer again. You forgot Estonia which is British led! Even so, Ukraine's Defense Ministry said it was accelerating its plan to form reserve battalions, a move that would help it rapidly deploy 130,000 recruits to bolster its 246,000-strong armed forces. For use in the littoral, these also need to be smart weapons, able to accurately discriminate between types of ships not good to go sinking the wrong ships! The US defence budget is $777bn more than the rest of the world combined. Defence chiefs have been keen to suggest new cyber and space capabilities will be major beneficiaries of any extra money for Defence. (apologies for the convoluted English there!). The assessment, seen by CNN, described the situation as 'difficult' and warned Russian President Vladimir Putin was 'trying to split and weaken the European Union and NATO' while also 'limiting the capabilities of the United States to ensure security on the European continent'. Comms on a dived Astute very limited. And the Russian surface fleet is still very much made up of 80s tech, that isnt very reliable. T31 is being procured to a strict budget, to get these vessels built and in service pretty quick, and we can upgrade once in service if the need requires it, they are large, and will be a very flexible design allowing more kit to be integrated over the years. Sheer incompetence being the only major navy in the world to not have AsUW capability beyond a 4.5 pea shooter. US truckers are heavily non vaccinated. The SPEAR seems limited against a target like a ship. During its 2008 war with Georgia, Russia bristled at U.S. warships operating in the Black Sea, and in April the United States cancelled the deployment of two warships to the area. The assessment said Moscow had deployed troops to the border on a 'permanent' basis and said the movement of 'stockpiles of ammunition, field hospitals and security services' to the hinterlands confirmed 'the preparation for offensive operations'. Any toys the RN requires would magical appear on the Quay side, and the funds suddenly available. The ships, which can each carry up to 25 armoured personnel carriers, were deployed three days ago but it remains unclear if they are heading for Ukraine. NSM in clear sea lanes, is perfectly suited to keeping enemy at arms length. It is certainly andy reeves again! " Russian warship, go fuck yourself " [a] was the last communication made on 24 February 2022 during the Russian attack on Snake Island in Ukraine's territorial waters by border guard Roman Hrybov to the Russian missile cruiser Moskva. Chechen warlord 'seriously ill' but refuses to call Russian doctors over 'poison' fears Ramzan Kadyrov is the leader of Chechnya and a close confidant of Vladimir Putin I think it is sad that Biden never got a shot at the Presidency a decade ago. The Coast Guard said the ship is . According to French newspaper La Voix du Nord, another Russian tanker appeared to be heading to the Atlantic Ocean, sailing along the Boulonnais coast on the Strait of Dover, 20 miles away from Great Britain. An good opportunity knoks coming soon, to sink the Russian fleets in the Med, lol!! Pentagon officials confirmed the basic details on Wednesday. It has a much wider capture angle. "If you don't change the course, I'll fire," a heavily accented Russian voice said in English to the British ship. They may be old but the Russians have used some of them very hard on the Russia/Syria Syrian Express run. Germany was starved to death in WW1 by the blockade of the North sea and WW2 bomber command destroyed its industrial might. Didnt Bidens Son in law have an interest in the Ukraine (monetary) ? View our online Press Pack. "Escorting the Russian task group alongside forces from our NATO allies has demonstrated the UKs commitment to the alliance and to maintaining maritime security. See reply above. While the oil tanker Kama turned on its AIS tracker, the frigate Admiral Gorchkov kept it off to stay under the radar. Agree entirely with what you say but I feel Trump was the one who emboldened Putin in the first place with his wimpish behaviour and with Biden following and little if any better, then no wonder Putin is considering pushing his luck. Land, they have plenty. The ships have included a surfaced submarine, a destroyer, a corvette and a patrol ship along. loads of shps. russian dockyards will need to build more tugs. When you consider bang for buck (price index), how long until Chinas defense budget alone will be equal? Trump was right about Germany being too dependent upon Russian gas and some EU states not spending enough on defence. NATO Aid to the Ukraine is not some knee jerk reaction to current events,there have been initiatives underway since independence in 1991,and especially since 2014,in the case of the UK under Operation Orbital. Something that clearly says were here, and were flying over Ukraine and you arent stopping us. EFP is irrelevant to the Russo-Ukraine situation. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. Whether hell succeed with his military distraction where General Galtieri failed with this strategy is open to question. I think Irans aspirations in the region run much deeper than having mild cooperation with Russia. Unlike the Ukrainians who are, in the main, suffering out in the trench systems with a serious number of dont want to be here conscripts. We in the West lost sight of the long term strategic goal of the US is remaining the sole superpowewr. Etc, etc. Yes theyve probably done more to modernise than laggards such as Argentine or Germany, but in conventional terms the European members of NATO alone could militarily contain Russia without Americas help. You act like the US has nothing to prepare for or be cautious with and we can throw our weight around like Panama in 1989. Boris take a private plane back to London from a climate summit in order to get to a party thrown by a conservative party donor .. is that not more irritating than a child asking the adults toRead more , the swedes attitude to defence equipment and production is very good. The RF receiver can help to lock onto a RF signal that matches something a target ship would emit. Cheers dave , I think our boss were trying too make us look on the bright side I doubt if the Careers office would have stated that when we signed up, And yet, of all the capability gaps, this one worries the RN the least. They keep Russia's options open and therefore keep the defender guessing,' said Keir Giles, an Associate Fellow at Chatham House. Tommo dont get carried away with what the media put out. Its a gap that worries the ranks the most! 'The different scenarios for how exactly Russia might seek to persuade the West to meet its (security) demands by punishing Kyiv don't even necessarily include a land incursion,' he said. Royal Navy warship @HMSPortland is tracking Russian guided missile frigate Admiral Gorshkov and accompanying tanker Kama as they sail in international waters close to the UK. means nothing until they are in the fleet, weve got more warships but the admiralty and the M.O.D cant see beyond their arrogance 5 more rivers given the thai navy upgrades to their batch 2 KRABI i.e a 76 otto melara rapid fire gun which was chosen ahead of the raytheon ram 116 system two extra 30mm cannon located aft of the bridge wings with the option of martlet sometime in the future otions to fit harpoon, these are real warships and we should do the same and designate them as corvettes or light frigates add 5 more warships to todays number of 19, then, 24 ships soundsRead more , reasonable place to forward base a t31 maybe. I somehow doubt it. [However] when youre up against a determined opponent on the battlefield you have to go close and personal with your enemy. and A Ministry of Defence Spokesperson told me: As part of a unified response with our allies, the Royal Navy are monitoring the presence of Russian Ships as they transit through the English Channel. I'm sure there will be no decision about [Ukraine] without [Ukraine],' he wrote. The Defence Forces is monitoring a group of Russia warships which have been spotted acting unusually off the south of the country. On western side it was concern that with the post Soviet economic collapse theyd end up in very dodgy countries hands. Find out more. The Russians are on drawdown but maintaining overwatch I understand. If this invasion happens it could well lead to the Chinese taking the opportunity to seize Taiwan, Iran will cause trouble in the Straits of Homuz and missile man could well take the opportunity to invade the South. I have little doubt that corruption in Russia has led to some pretty shoddy construction. 'Our view is this is an extremely dangerous situation,' said White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. Yes, have to agree, Gallipoli wasnt one of our finest ever ventures. Er, as infantry, I had all of 9 seconds according to the briefing table on the Majors desk reading down the list and RMP were given 36 hours; and the rest is history. Its not a valid comparison in 2003 the Russian was in a post Yeltsin mess and in no way capable of acting as a deterrent to US forces. I would say that is far more annoying than Greta who actually tries her best to practice what she preaches. "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. Are Putins dirty secrets going to be revealed? The Royal Navy said it is tracking the frigate and the tanker movements with an HMS Portland frigate, as it could carry what is considered to be one of the world's deadliest weapons. Russia's warns Britain over navy confrontation, Raab: Russia being 'predictably inaccurate', Britain says it will always defend seafaring rights, Russia says London is sowing barefaced lies. This was of course totally unrelated to his dad, then VP, having a say on loan money going into Ukraine. The rest of Ukraine is a sovereign state and fully independent of anyone. Instead we were lured away by the glitter of ongoing wars in the ME. 2014-2021 UK Defence Journal, all rights reserved. Whats the Latin 50% because decimate is only 1 in 10 (10%). HMS Dragon, though reportedly armed with Harpoon, is being put in harms way without a modern AShM. I apologize if you took offense with my tone, its not my normal voice. The official warned the Kremlin: 'Our message, and that of our allies and partners, is that Russia has two choices: diplomacy and de-escalation, or escalation and massive consequences. US is now flying in warlike items to Ukraine. Maybe, but are you disputing the accuracy of my first sentence? If Biden was was standing up to Putin hed use some of that military grunt they have. Russia has brought in new forces to Crimea, which it annexed from Ukraine in 2014. "These are Ukrainian waters and it was entirely right to use them to go from A to B," Johnson said. All depends on how you define corruption but generally speaking most countries are corrupt at some or all levels us included. Your logic makes no sense. 'We are asking for more, and we are expecting to have more,' Mr Prystaiko told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. As to Corbin(Corbyn) and American born Johnson, well in my opinion Corbyn is poison and Johnson is a clown beyond redemption Regards Geoff(who is btw an ardent Americophile), Douglass post about this being Bidens fault instead of Putin and his yes men is just not true and I dont think its the time to encourage them. https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2021/03/17/us-navy-set-to-take-delivery-of-the-latest-version-of-its-tomahawk-missile/. You can read more here. The Marshal Ustinov, a large cruise missile ship, is one of a. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-03/kremlin-insider-klyushin-is-said-to-have-2016-hack-details. . We have historically supported the underdog in the face of the invading bully. Their Intel also saying that they see no particular problem. Im for one are hoping cool heads prevail. No warning shots had been fired and no bombs had been dropped in the path of the Royal Navy destroyer Defender, it said. Not sitting, looks like hes on his way to Moscow to have a quiet chat with Sergei Shoigu. But they need to be postured in way that showed the West meant business. So is his agenda really totally different? To Decimate is as you put Dave 1 in 10 ,50% is half which is Dimidium, Cheers Tommo my googlefu is poor however, my google translate fu was non-existent , Over the last third of a century the pollies have dimidiumated the British Army . Stand by to be surprised. Trump isnt the president now, its Biden. Zelensky thanked Blinken on Twitter after their meeting and said he was counting on stronger 'economic& financial' cooperation from the West. As they have plenty of gear around Ukraine already it makes sense that at least some of the 6 are bound for Tartus. Western military analysts have suggested Russia cannot keep such troops deployed where they are indefinitely for financial and logistical reasons and would need to pull them back by summer. Actually, its an interesting point. looking at the satellite images of the Rusian camps near the boarder. Giving his annual speech to the Royal United Services Institute, the Defence chief said: They are flexing their muscles in our own back yard with an ostentation they have not displayed since the Cold War. 'Russia invaded territory in the Crimea, ginned up a conflict in eastern Ukraine, and has systematically sought to undermine and divide Ukraines democracy,' Blinken said. But T31 isnt designed or intended to be a high end anti submarine Frigate, more a general purpose Frigate for more day to day operations ,anti piracy ect but capable enough to operate as part of a task group. I think Putin is going to have to attack or look weak. Putin has been blowing smoke about NATO having significant forces in countries bordering Russia, but really they are minimal. Actually having checked further the major problem the USA/Canada are having are the same that most countries are. Rocks?' Inspite of their age, the Russian Ropucha class have been fitted with AK-630 CIWS, easily as good as Phalanx. During the Cold War it became traditional to test the resolve of an incoming new American president with a manufactured crisis. The . In a hastily arranged trip, Secretary of State Antony Blinken was set to arrive in Kiev last night to meet Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. I suspect if we dont show strength and unity now the fighting will inevitably come to us. Initially other then a echo sounder suite for navigation which is a safety requirement, there are no current plans for a ASW fit on the T31s, for the reasons you have stated. No, but it would be interesting to know what Circumstances would trigger that. Thanks for that. Russian frigate Admiral Gorshkov is closely monitored by #SNMG1 ship HMS Portland in the North Sea on Jan. 9 #DeterandDefend #StrongerTogether pic.twitter.com/6DN7EmL7EO. Putin might be doing maskirovka. Most of these incidents were blamed by Iran on Israel. Yes China has been throwing money at increasing the capabilities and sheer size of its military in it race to become the worlds dominant hyper-power. I think most would agree Trump was a very poor President and Joe Biden has not covered himself in glory. Putins Russia isnt anywhere nearly as big and powerful as the old Soviet military and couldnt go toe to toe with the US. Warships belonging to the Russian Northern Fleet have sailed through the English Channel in a routine and lawful passage through British waters. https://www.janes.com/defence-news/naval-weapons/latest/turkish-navy-commissions-first-intelligence-gathering-ship. Iv said all along all the US has to do is move over a few B52s B1s and B2 to UK on a routine training mission. I am very much older than 25 and I find her far more grown up than most actual grown ups. This was to determine if the resurrected Blake and Tiger would stand a chance against the Belgrano, if they actually faced off. The Russian strongman will be sending warships within Ireland's maritime economic zone - around 240km off the southwest cost of Ireland. So will Taiwan. F35 will be able to carry 8 of these missiles internally. Ill think you well find Im disagreeing with a nut job who thinks Salisbury was a UK government conspiracy lol. Reuters, the news and media division of Thomson Reuters, is the worlds largest multimedia news provider, reaching billions of people worldwide every day. Too many journalists sit at their desks googling news instead of getting off their backsides. Wow so they first entered service about the same time as the Type 21s ! Pity we didnt keep developing the 6 system fitted to Tiger and Blake? It does not stop Russia interfering in/invading Ukraine. Biden is shaping up to be just as bad and hopefully another 1-term wonder. Irish defence forces have been monitoring the activity of Russian warships that on Tuesday made a U-turn off the country's coast. The deployment was cited in Ukraine's intelligence report which said Belarus 'should be considered as a full-fledged theater of operations that Russia can use to expand aggression against Ukraine.'. He is testing NATO unity and Bidens willingness to risk the wrath of those voters while knowing any faltering step in those voters eyes be it commitment of weakness will bring back a Trump style Govt withRead more , I do wonder if another motivating factor could be something more base than that. Broker a deal to have Russian military bases in their country. I doubt it. 14:30 GMT 20 Jan 2022. No they didnt. Nuclear centrifuge assembly plants. The Americans have just sent their first shipment of Aid to the Ukraine what was sent was classed as LETHAL Aid. Surely you mean the Syrians? The only Ukraine people fighting for their independence are those in the Donbas. Which it now seems were there to pick up gear to take out of the Baltic, not across it. We should grant him that and make it a reality. I have lost count how many times I have read about explosions in Iran over the past two years or so. Will it damage to a ship? Resources, they have plenty of their own. That calls a defense expert on the plan. The 4.5 has the range, accuracy and stopping power to deal with that kind of threat. Because I dont have anybody living on the USA/Canada so I dont know the situation. If they cant see it the RU navy will likely assess its not there. A Russian military ship armed with hypersonic missiles has sailed through the Strait of Dover, the narrowest part of the English Channel - only a few miles away from the English coast. Biden-BIG disappointment. Very old school looking set up and equipment. 'Our strength depends on preserving our unity and that includes unity within Ukraine. A very rugged and reliable ship, only 500 tons carrying capacity but their operation in Syria would not have been possible without the. Oh, that would be Slovakia and Poland for example who have NATO aircraft from America not to mention eFP fighters in Lithuania, Estonia and Bulgaria. 'We're now at a stage where Russia could at any point launch an attack in Ukraine, and what Secretary Blinken is going to go do is highlight very clearly there is a diplomatic path forward. The two Russian vessels in the video released Wednesday are the first the military has announced operating off Hawaii since the new year. The group thinkers on here have no idea of the N2 capabilities of RU and without AsUW the RN is in danger of being decimated before tea time. We printed something like 45 billion sterling to deal with the pandemic yet fail to commit to proper spending to save our own planet. Were you not barred a couple of years ago from this site? Sean, Where is this wharf in Australia? F35 will also receive SPEAR 3 which also has anti ship capability. As for unvaccinated drivers not being allowed to cross, well who wouldnt want to keep the chronically stupid out of their country? Er, US forces are in Poland and no doubt in the Ukraine. Russian deputy Defence Minister Alexander Fomin confirmed that the mission includes the relocation of two S-400 mobile surface to air missile battalions, a Pantsir-S battalion and 12 Su-35 fighters for the 'surprise' inspection and drills. Mr Scholz told reporters it was 'clear that there will be a high price to pay and that everything will have to be discussed should there be a military intervention in Ukraine'. A multi-front assault might also involve a move into northeastern Ukraine, encircling but perhaps not entering cities where forces could get bogged down in urban fighting. Spot on post! Spain is sending warships to join Nato naval forces in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, and Denmark also said it would send a frigate to the Baltic Sea. That's why he wants to overthrow the government of Volodymyr Zelenskyj in Kyiv. They hit targets of a 'simulated enemy' in 'large-scale' exercises involving 500 military personnel. Meanwhile the potential peer foes, Russia and China, were very quietly building up their defensive forces initially and then offensive to a standard able to match a peer adversary. Its all well and good having such weapons, but they arent much good without good accurate targeting information. The US CSG in the med training with Italy and Spain no doubt this is positioned close by aswell. With the US on side, it could even be a NATO contingent. However, it does look like everybody is going to fight back. See here for a complete list of exchanges and delays. WW1 & WW2 were not just ended by fighting but the economic ability of Germany to out produce the allies. People always seem to vastly underestimate the effectiveness of a medium gun. faster working shipyards would help. The ships have included a surfaced submarine, a destroyer, a corvette and a patrol ship along with their supporting tugs and supply ships travelling in the English Channel, Celtic Sea and the West Coast of Scotland. If this new cold war turns into something nasty, our T45 should have something better than Harpoon to engage enemy ships. Do you regard all the military and NHS etc senior people joining companies after they retire that they may well have helped gain orders as corruption? Also most of that Russian buildup is into barracks so not suffering. I didnt think anyone could be worse than Trump. Russkie pension, weekly bucket of spuds and one litre of 2 stroke. So easy to detect and evasion not impossible but also easy for CIWS to lock onto. I can see why you next comment was For starters. kill chain is very complex to find, track, and then engage a warship at range that doesnt want to be shot at. Lets be honest, in hostilities, they wouldnt be sailing unescorted or going through the channel! Under USSR the orders would come from Moscow but the big red button was at the command post for each group of silos in Ukraine. The trick is to sort the rubbish and the facts, with good journalism there is always some good Intel to be gleaned. They have nothing to match it. Global Britain is an illusion. Therefore in theory at least for the narrowest Dover-Calais area we could do that. Thought about those beasties Johnathan if they hadnt been converted to Helicopter carriers as such and kept the Aft turrets as well nice broadside those cordites were huge, No worries. The proliferation of this capability within the new Russian Navy is profoundly changing its ability to deter, threaten or destroy adversary targets. This alone would send a message and along with the news that an Ohio class arsenal boat is currently sunning of Cyprus when normally the whereabouts is secret says alot.