Try some Blue Dot in your .357 Mag, chronograph it and see how you like it. lets say it was well used and not maintained. When I lived in the mountains caretaking a state property, soon learned the first day of hunting season would see the deer herd moving onto the property, bedding down behind the residence and the snow plow shed. Problem is, because of the pandemic, and an election year, like all the ammo, there isnt any to be had, in the Pacific Northwest anyway. Most of the famous Hatfield-McCoy feud was fought with lever guns. This rifle will be used for S. Michigan Deer so I'm primarily looking for favorite powder and pet loads. Winchester Firearms 1873 Deluxe Sporting 357 Mag / 38 Spl Lever-Action Rifle with Color Case Hardene. My main load was Winchester 357 Silvertips. Do you have a case length limitation in your state for a straight wall case? Load data for 9 loads in caliber .357 Maximum with .355 . There is an issue in how the hammer and bolt are aligned. Some hunters have decided to have single-shot rifles rechambered for the cartridge because it's very easy to handle when fired from a rifle. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. Nicks and marks from use in wood and finish. L ess than 50 rounds fired through the barrel. by Tycer Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:57 pm, Post Slip Top 50 Red Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. 350 legend Oklahoma Shooters from www.okshooters.com. You get the best of both the classic function of a lever gun with modern improvements. Factory .357 Maximum ammo is no longer sold by the big manufacturers, but the folks at Starline offer new brass cases for reloaders. The Casull is way shorter than the Max and ~the same OAL as the 360 DW. Im not particularly recoil sensitive (though getting old does suck) but from a power-to-controllability ratio standpoint, Ive always found the .357 to be the sweet spot. Relevant to what? There's no doubt but that the .357 Magnum with heavy bullets will do it handily up close.The .357 Maximum was an effort to give you .357 Magnum muzzle velocity at 200 meters. We discuss most anything here politely. Remember the name Glenfeild. This is because revolvers allow a certain amount of gas to escape as the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the forcing cone, meaning lost pressure. Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. First and foremost is that all the straight-walled cartridges in this article max out at somewhat close range. SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, Casting Your Own Bullets for Lever-Action Rifles, The Staying Power of the .257 Roberts Cartridge, 10mm Firepower: Springfield XD-M Elite 3.8 Compact Pistol Review, 5 Best Long-Range Hunting Bullets Available Right Now, A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. Expecting it back today via UPS, cant wait to put some rounds in it this week. Maybe Ill be in a position to reload once I retire in 25 or so years but by then Ill probably have sold everything and moved back overseas so it wont be an issue. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:54 pm, Post I know its not the answer you want, but it gets you to the same place. For me, a Max levergun would only be desirable if it would cycle Mags and possibly Specials as well. The hammer and bolt still make contact with each other on the side of the hammer, not just where the bolt cocks the hammer. It's another special purpose cartridge that has an eerie resemblance to the Max. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! H110. With nice wood This allows, again, for higher velocities and energies than the revolvers made by Ruger and Smith & Wesson. The .357 Rem. For some reason it's hard to exceed what 2400 can do in the .357 mag, but H110/W296 and lil gun should also be viable options. Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum. Because the .357 Maximum in a Contender comes close to .35 Rem. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames. Ha! You have entered an incorrect email address! Ruger developed a Blackhawk specifically for the cartridge, but word of barrel erosion and "flame cutting" came to light quickly and production of the revolver was ceased with only about 400 produced. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:32 pm, Post gee how many of us have heard that, for 1,000 times? Obviously, a longer cartridge had increased powder capacity and greater velocity potential. Nice single shot rifle. Not even a Rossi(saw a trick shot dude on a video whos main gun was a Rossi). The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. In 357 max 24" Douglas premium barrel 1in16 twist shoots 180 pointed flat point over 4227 with CCI 450 primer .7 inches at 100 don't have to worry about resale I'll keep this one. There was enough space there for a scabbard with a .30-30 in it. Its not as slick as the old 19, but it will do the job. And some states (North Carolina) consider that a concealed weapon. If I absolutely had to ditch all my guns and go with a single handgun + single rifle, this would be my choice. I had only seen photos (prints?) The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. One example would be the Savage Model 24 combination rifle/shotgun. Hot and spiced with nutmeg and cinnamon on a cold day kicks ass, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/56/4e/97564e38ab918eae2103ffa40b24f0c1.jpg. Even though it was flawed engineering, it was the cartridge that suffered. They also make a valid home defense rifle AND a great truck gun, to keep the Karens and Kens from whining ASSAULT RIFLE. They were discontinued for quite awhile and JMs were going for $1200 or more. The Gun That Won The West. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:46 am, Post No one else offers the wide range of options, steel picatinny rails, and barrel fluting that MGM does. Modern black rifles offer options older firearms cant compete with. I always liked the cowboy combo concept of carbine/sidearm same caliber and own lever actions in .44 mag. IMPORTANT NOTE: THROAT LENGTHS IN CUSTOM BARRELS VARY. Citadel Levtac-92 .357 Magnum Tactical-Lever! The revolvers that were built in this caliber are rare, and consistently go for a premium over other Ruger Blackhawks. I had the model 19 years ago. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. $2.92. It was too intense and very finicky. After the hunts are over is the best time to send barrels in for customizing! These comments are directed at the people say there is no ammo to buy, or its too expensive. I might have read your post incorrectly but I live in occupied Ca and I have a Rossi 92 (1892 clone) and a Taurus 605 both in .38sp/.357. Midsouth Shooters can supply you with your pistol and rifle ammunition, as well as all of your shooting and reloading supplies. rifle is 17.1gr. $800 was a great price.. Buy .357 Maximum SuperMag 180g Hornady XTP HP 1800 FPS 20 rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 972984640. . My revolvers and levers arent in .357 Mag. It too feeds with no problems but is more work to make. Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. Of the 32 models of 357 lever gun they offer, there are precisely zero units currently available for sale. I really cant eithersure was glad I had 8 30 round mags full of 62 gr 556 as BLM looters were approaching in May. Check out ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/223ME.html and ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/223ME.html. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-rossi-model-92-lever-action-45-colt/, Also not a .357, but a stunning Henry: It was an 1895 GBL. Khalil, Ive got one in .327 Fed Mag and Im here to tell you IT IS SWEET!! The big problem for me was the shape of the Contender grip which caused my hand to shake after just a few shots. The AR-15s in .223 are just glorified rabbit guns in my opinion. There is a lot of muzzle flash with the Maximum. The original factory loading was a relatively fragile 158-grain JHP similar to those Remington loaded in the .357 Magnum. Features a rugged, stainless steel bolt with 90 bolt throw and rapid lock time for added accuracy. It should be noted the original loadings of the 357 mag were to 45,000 psi, but when the smaller framed 357's came on the market the pressure of the loads was reduced to 35,000 psi. The .35 Remington case is basically a .308 Winchester (but slightly narrower and shorter) with a .358" diameter bullet stuffed into it. . Really puts a pop in the round. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. The .357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. RETURN POLICY: Intrepid Shooting Sports will accept returns on firearms that arrive other than advertised in the listing. Considering that there are no problems with this cartridge in single-shot pistols and rifles, it is unfortunate that the revolver problems sullied the reputation of an otherwise fine cartridge. Same 357 MAXIMUM 180 gr load in an 18" rifle barrel has a MP= 3111 psi vel 1663 FPS 357 Mag 158 gr 13 gr Win 296 1719 FPS 14" barrel MP= 2586 Should be Ev0-9 safe especially with a Triad Mount. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:17 pm, Post Great deal on a 357 magnum! No Tags. But the tyrants have publicly said they hate repeating firearms. I sold both rather quickly. Just my opinion, your mileage may vary. I have seen a gun blow up (not mine) and therefore I am very careful when I reload. Its sad that this is a bonus, but for many Americans it is exactly that. (I do have a Ruger LCR that was pretty good out of the box and a 50 year old 1911 that are in the running.). Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. As most revolver . A 180-grain version was added, but it was also a hollowpoint. I am sure I am not the only one that is open to it but finds that it is not possible right now. That is too bad. This is a high-class place so act respectable. on January 02, 2020: Recently had mcCullough arms Valley Grand, Al. My Marlin feeds .38 Special just fine but has a tendency to hang up on .357 Mag rounds (no matter the bullet type, it seems to be an OAL issue.). Full rechamber to .357 MAXimum or .350 Legend for energy levels on par with .300 Savage or moderate .308 Winchester loads and a bonafide 250 yard rifle. Yes, it was an easy one to fill the bill with. Most of all it looks cool and reminds me of the good old days when guns were all made from steel and wood instead of plastic. H&R and Savage both chambered the .357 Maximum in single-shot rifles or combo guns. Model 29 and Marlin stainless 1894 in 44. MGM's chamber is perfect for the vast majority of hunters and target shooters! And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. Ive shot the .30-30, and its fine, but man, Id love that thing in .357. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. Its the truth about guns, not cooking. It can be used against medium to large game, with hunters disagreeing over its efficacy for dangerous game such as bear. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. 05-25-2020 . MSRP is $1,223, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, itll command less of a premium in-store. Blame it on the Covid 19 pandemic. And a fun one! [6] The "Magnum era" began with the .375 H&H rifle cartridge, spreading to handguns with the .357 Magnum. Oranges should be squeezed into juice. The rifle should be able to shoot all the standard lead .357 bullets, including the 148 gr wadcutters. Fully agree with this. and ring 4 inch plates every time. by groschen1936 Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:28 pm, Post Moku Manu, Hawai'i. Jun 17, 2016. Sellier, who established the company in Prague in 1825 and began manufacturing percussion caps for use in muskets and rifles. Ive never understood the fascination with Black Rifles. I can recall a conversation with John Taffin, a fellow gunwriter of deserved great reputation. Just ask! 11 February 2004, 13:28 dgr416 Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? .357 velocities peak in a 16 barrel and decrease thereafter. of rifles attached to horn or pommel and carried in a shuck of some sort. 38 special. Most reloading die manufacturers can supply this accessory for your current dies set. They both have Constitutional carry! by stretch Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:47 pm, Post The .357 Maximum was an effort to give you .357 Magnum muzzle velocity at 200 meters. I took photos and pointed out the issue but still didnt fix it. Shout, I mean shoots, doesnt rally shout, kind of barks. Loads for .357 Magnum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. I settled on Accurate 1680 propellant. Please contact us with any questions, or for purchase options. The action and trigger needed work, so that cost another $125 from my local Gunsmith in Oregon. NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 38 Special ammo is cheap and easy to reload for plinking and target practice. You are using an out of date browser. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Apples should be in pie. If you use 158-grain bullets on game, I highly recommend softpoints over hollowpoints. We cover the 357 MaximumAll you need to know about the 357 Remington Maximum! Both have threaded barrels to make them more relative and modern. JM Browning did design a lot of the Winchester lever action rifles. Great rifle and never have had an issue, shooting with 8 grains of unique with 225 grn semi wadcutters. With a tuned lever action, you can unload 10 rounds in about 3 seconds: https://youtu.be/h1Wcy8HRQUo?list=TLPQMjcwNzIwMjC2VftOeStKpQ. No bloody wonder that Remingtons in bankruptcy again. Have as much ammo on hand as you can afford. I agree. The 357 Max is generally considered to be less powerful that 35 Rem, but I don't know if you would see a difference in a 14" barrel. Took it out on a pesky squirrel with a .308. @ Ed Palumbo. The rifle shot better after reaming that it did before. From what I hear the Henry trigger is better though. Turned out to be a skunk right underneath my stand. My lever is a Winchester in .45 Colt, for which you can not only reload, but you can reload pretty close to double the pressure of a handgun round, as long as you are using a modern rifle, and depending on the weight of the round. Do the same during Deer Season, and all the critters have suddenly developed a deep phobia of open meadows you can see from far off. (Ive been running 7 grains for handgun loads.). Why Marlin didnt make a 336 in .357 I will never understand. A heavily worn gun that had been drilled vertically thru the buttstock, the barrel, magazine tube and lag-bolted across beams in the ceiling of some bar in northern Arizona. That never happened with Ruger. I would accept the beating and get a .44 if I did. Zombie apocalypse? Email Mike at mike@357maximum.net or call 541 956 6938. Best place to find squirrels in in a deer stand with a 30-06. Made in 1983, serial 600-02396 has a 10.5-inch barrel, blade front sight, adjustable rear sight, transfer bar and wood grips. someguy2800, Jul 12, 2019 #7 Eagle 17 and Bfh_auto like this. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:01 pm, Post twist: 1:18.75"; trim length: 1.285"; primer: Winchester SPM; bullet diam. Low supplies and very high demand. I told them if they were so worried about reloading they can have my brass. I have not seen the .357 atomic but know of the .375 atomic-it is a i.4 in. I would like to try Reloader 7 with bullets heavier than 180 grains. With todays rail-mounted optics, that makes the 1894 CSBL tactical and practical, with the addition of an XS Sights Lever Rail and sight set. Order your barrel directly from Match Grade Machine, made however you want with their standard chamber or for $125 additional post paid to you, custom chambered by me, Mike Bellm, to my specs for best accuracy with the full range of bullet weights and types. All in all the .357 may be the best TEOTWAWKI round going. Being a straight walled cartridge, its a snap. Which was ".357 maximum Auto Rimless." The moniker ".357 Max AR" stuck with the round for 3 reasons, 1) it was a 5.56 case expanded to straightwall, maximizing its capacity, 2) it uses load data very similar to the 357 Maximum rimmed revolver cartridge, and 3) the "Max-AR," Auto Rimless, was really only meant for use in AR-15's . Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. No such thing as a perfect caliber, but .357 magnum and its sister the .357sig is about as close as one can get. The least amount of trouble would be to buy a 35 Remmington and be done with it. I have a 94 Trapper in 357 Magnum that I rechambered to 357 Maximum. HINT: Academy has Henry Steel Big Boys in stock today, July 29th, for $730. Spoken like someone who doesnt live in a 2A benighted state or area. Get your barrels customized early for next season! Levers are light, easy to carry with quick target acquisition and reliability. The pre-lawyer Rossi 92s are nice guns. It was simply the .357 case lengthened to 1.60 and used the heavier bullets of 158 grains to as much as 200 grains. .357 Maximum when loaded down in a rifle length barrel is almost like shooting an air rifle. The fact is, .357 lever action rifles are proven game-getters, as they are well-suited to whitetail and hog hunting in thick timber at close (r) range, inside about 150 yards. Henry is finally putting out some side loading gate models, while still retaining the muzzle end magazine tube, so as to make them easier and safer to unload. The advantage I see to 357 max is you use 357 mag carbide reloading dies so it is easier to reload and no trimming. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames., I have to agree. It packs or stows easily and are very difficult to find lately. The Story of my life it seems. We do not charge additional fees for credit cards. Most 357 mag guns are 16" barrels and some are 20 inch. The 1892 is a top-ejecting model so scopes or rails are out, but the point of this gun is to be a fast-handling, medium-range rifle. : .357" (except where otherwise specified in remarks). Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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